Yes, that's right! Virtually everything the ACC is calling for this weekend has already been realized in The Episcopal Church. From this we can safely conclude that participants in the ACC, and it's sympathizers, are actually Episcopalian wannabees. To read the demands of the ACC click here. It is thoroughly Episcopalian. Highlights include the following...
- Transforming the governance of the Church into a democracy whereby laymen can vote for their clerical leaders and on various doctrinal and moral issues.
- The ordination of women to the priesthood.
- The ordination of known homosexuals to the priesthood.
- The elimination of clerical celibacy.
- The greater emphasis on a "social gospel" and "liberation theology."
To learn more about The Episcopal Church click here.
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Well, I guess Satan is working hard these days, and it looks like-as the Gospel says-FEW will be saved.
Maybe these heretics, commies should read this:
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jun/09/episcopal-parish-will-join-roman-catholic-church/
"Episcopal parish will join Roman Catholic Church
By Rachel Zoll
Associated Press
Posted June 9, 2011 at 2:41 p.m."
Dear Catholic Knight,
The only reason the ACC are not jumping ship wholesale to the Episcapalian Church is due to the fact they seek to force what they consider to be reform - in actual fact, distructive heteradoxy - upon the entire US Catholic structure to drag it into what they consider to be the enlightened world of liberal progressiveism (which is neither truly 'liberal' nor 'progressive'. At its heart, their ajenda would likely not rule out generating shockwaves worldwide to remake the entire universal Catholic Church into its own loose image.
They accept and promote Jesus' love with NONE of His directives to 'Go and sin no more'.
Their ajenda is that of pretty well the entire dept. of theology at the university I attend. thank god for our marvellous campus chaplain, a good man (around my age - e.g. younger than boomer) who is committed to Christian truth in love - a very different thing than the disobedience offered by the ACC and their international devotees.
Have they ever thought about the consequences of having a Katherine Jefferts_Schori?
Of course these hairy-ticks got to bring hope and change to the Catholic Church. If they move to the ECUSA now, they'll be just another face in the vast liberal crowd!
I cannot wait for B16 to declare this society schismatic/immoral and for joining such grave matter/sin.
What's so wrong with progress and change? We must see the image of God in all people and empower all to have a voice
Who are we to decide if one is "worthy"
"Do not judge, so that you may not be judged" (Matthew 7:1)
Anonymous, Truth does not change. You are ignorant of what you speak. In the mean time, you should reflect on how you seem ready to make a "judgmental" post of your own by the very fact of making your post here against the notion defending truth. You have from the start fallen within your own logical fallacy. Pray to God for what He wants of you, and not on how you want to change God to suit your own wishes and pleasures.
For a brilliant read on the fruits of what is palmed off as 'liberal progressiveism' take a look at
http://politicsofthecrossresurrected.blogspot.com/2011/06/sex-and-economics-engame-of-cultural.html
Jesus Earthly mission was characterised by two key principles operating in tandem; love and repentance - the type of repentance that both precedes and produces genuine God-inspired sanctification the words of Galatians 5: 19-21 are as valid today as those that follow them in Gal 5: 22-25, and Ephesians 4, 18-19, plus a few pointers in 1 13-15. Jesus directive given in Matt 25: 34-40 is as essential as that expressed ten chapters earlier.
In reference to some of the more sensitive issues that give such grief to 'liberals', 1 Cor 14: 34-35 and 1 Tim 2: 12-13 are no less valid than Gal 3: 28 and Col 3: 11.
The argument may be put forth that the letter to the Galations was written at a point when Paul's faith had reached a greater level of maturity at a later time in his ministry, Others propose that these letters were responses to particular communities in a specific cultural and historical context. I would argue in the negative regarding these viewpoints, as all scripture is God inspired given for our instruction, reproof and encouragement (my own emphasis - 2 Tim 3: 16). Now, the question arises, to which scripture was Paul refering, when those he had were what we now think of as the Old Testament? This is easily answered, as even what is termed liberal theology recognises the inspiration of Holy scripture and its dual mechanism of operation. It served not only the community for which it was first written but also the faithful through the ages - those pasages of what we know as the New Testament that grate uncomfortably against the post-modern understanding of a ever changing and progressively improving world cannot be overlooked or culturally squeezed out due to the fact that all of a sudden they do not fit the brave new paradigm we have created for ourselves.
Some may call such an understanding fundamentalist in nature, but even post-modern liberal commentators such as Karen Armstrong and Molly Worthen would disagree re the appropriateness of such terms being applied to those who approach Holy Scripture as do I. - Indeed, both write eloquently and even-handedly concerning those of us that are considered in terms of the 'F' word by most, plainly ruling such out as an inaccurate assessment of the facts. (but this is a different tangent for a another time and topic).
May I recommend the many articles, CD's, audio-visual presentations (five minutes on youtube will reveal a wealth of material) , books and live seminars/discussions given by the incredible Catholic evangelist Tim Staples? the ACC would be greatly enhanced by acquainting themselves with his work and adopting a similar understanding of Holy Scripture, coupled with a genuine understanding of the Hermeneutic of Continuity plus an appreciation of the reality that the church is not moving backwards, but forward, past the trainwreck of the 60's and 70's if they wish to enact genuine reform - reform of a lost world caught in the lengthening shadow of sin (self indulgent nature) which only leads to distruction - a world desperately in need of the revitalization found only in embracing Christ - and His Church - the way, truth and life.
Blessings,
Sarah,
australia.
Dear Catholic Knight,
Just a few more thoughts then I'll rack off and leave everyone in peace...Re the link offered in my previous comment, one may regard capitalism with similar hesitation to that in which one might regard Marxism along with subsiquent ideologies . Distributism/Subsidiarity offers an excellent third way that at once recognises the inherrent dignity of the human being while understanding the need for necessary limitations to the state, lest said state become Leviathan.
What did Chesterton say about more capitalism, less capitalists?? (as I reach for the cider bottle once again :-) ) No, in reality, I am writing this without having touched the stuff for days :-).
Blessings,
Sarah,
Australia
Who is fully acquainted with what natural law has to say about the ils that stem from too much fizzy apple juice :-)
Oh; two books that should be at the top of the ACC (and everybody else's) reading list:
Peter Hitchens (not the Atheist, Chris, but his Christian brother) 'The Rage AGainst God' in which the arguments of 'liberal progress' being progresss at all are demolished articulately, objectively and extensively, along with his book entitled 'The Broken Compass'.
Latest news about the ACC:
Detroit Free Press link
Reuters link
I noticed in the articles the speakers are all elderly and bitter. That tells you something.
Latest news about the ACC:
Detroit Free Press link
Reuters link
I noticed in the articles the speakers are all elderly and bitter. That tells you something.
Dear Catholic Knight,
Please remove my comment (#9) as I've picked over it and improved it; thank you.
For a brilliant read on the fruits of what is palmed off as 'liberal progressiveism' take a look at
http://politicsofthecrossresurrected.blogspot.com/2011/06/sex-and-economics-engame-of-cultural.html
Jesus Earthly mission was characterised by two key principles operating in tandem; love and repentance - the type of repentance that both precedes and produces genuine God-inspired sanctification. The words of Galatians 5: 19-21 are as valid today as those that follow them in Gal 5: 22-25, and Ephesians 4, 18-19, plus a few pointers in 1 13-15. Jesus directive given in Matt 25: 34-40 is as essential as that expressed ten chapters earlier.
In reference to some of the more sensitive issues that give such grief to 'liberals', 1 Cor 14: 34-35 and 1 Tim 2: 12-13 are no less valid than Gal 3: 28 and Col 3: 11.
The argument may be put forth that the letter to the Galations was written at a point when Paul's faith had reached a greater level of maturity at a later time in his ministry, Still others propose that these letters were responses to particular communities in a specific cultural and historical context. Though the latter may be in and of itself true in its time and place, I would argue in the negative regarding this overall approach due to the fact that all scripture is God inspired given for our instruction, reproof and encouragement (my own emphasis - 2 Tim 3: 16). Now, the question arises, to which scripture was Paul refering, when those he had were what we now think of as the Old Testament? This is easily answered, as even what is termed liberal theology recognises the Divine inspiration of Holy scripture and its dual mechanism of operation. It served not only the community for which it was first written but was (and is) intended for the faithful of all times, its application universal in nature. Those pasages of what we know as the New Testament that grate uncomfortably against the post-modern understanding of an ever changing and progressively improving world cannot be overlooked or culturally squeezed out due to the fact that all of a sudden they do not fit the brave new paradigm we have created for ourselves.
Cont'd,
Some may call such an understanding fundamentalist in nature, but even post-modern liberal commentators such as Karen Armstrong and Molly Worthen would disagree re the appropriateness of such terms being applied to those who approach Holy Scripture as do I. - Indeed, both write eloquently and even-handedly concerning those of us that are considered in terms of the 'F' word by most, plainly ruling such out as an inaccurate assessment of the facts. (but this is a different tangent for a another time and topic).
May I recommend the many articles, CD's, audio-visual presentations (five minutes on youtube will reveal a wealth of material) , books and live seminars/discussions given by the incredible Catholic evangelist Tim Staples? the ACC would be greatly enhanced by acquainting itself with his work and adopting a similar understanding of Holy Scripture, coupled with a genuine understanding of the Hermeneutic of Continuity plus an appreciation of the reality that the church is not moving backwards, but forward, past the trainwreck of the 60's and 70's. If they wish to enact genuine reform - reform of a lost world caught in the lengthening shadow of sin (self indulgent nature) which only leads to distruction – they will truly shine forth if they enact Christ’s command in Matt 28: 19, plus his call to us all in John 8: 11 (to ‘Go and sin no more’), thus bringing genuine hope to a world desperately in need of the revitalization found only in embracing Christ - and His Church - the way, truth and life. Regardless of the methods one employs to understand the development of the new Testament, who said what, when, where and how; ‘three worlds’ principle etc., the guidance and directives given within Scripture were obviously important enough to survive the years of the early Christian communities, eventually making it into the deposite of text that we now know as the Bible due to the fact that Divine Inspiration is still operating, no matter how one slices it and dices it – so arguments that such directives as found in Matt and John are culturally irrelevant for our post-modern secular age fall completely flat. Thank God I am of an Eastern rite where folk have a much more mature grasp, and fearlessness of faith and conviction when it comes to proclaiming god’s truth – we’re not so broken that HQ needs to completely rewrite our English mass translation…look to your eastern brethren, Western schismatics, and learn from us, your Catholic brothers and sisters.
Blessings,
Sarah,
Australia.
australia.
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