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| Arcbishop Kothgasser celebrating a "clown mass" in the Cathedral of Salzburg Austria |
(CathNews) - Highly influential Austrian abbots said this week that talk of schism in the Austrian Church could not be damped down, nor the current conflict resolved, by a meeting between the Archbishop of Vienna, Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, and representatives of dissident priests, reports the Tablet.THE CATHOLIC KNIGHT: So it begins! The Modernist schism in the Catholic Church officially begins in Austria. Dissidents are actually asking for a lot more than what they're letting on. What they really want is a comprehensive change in the Church from top to bottom, ultimately resulting in a mirror image of what we see in the U.S. Episcopal Church. As you can see by my last post on the raw statistics of the U.S. Episcopal Church, those changes haven't worked out so well for that organization. Nevertheless, the liberal Modernist's answer to failure is always the same -- more liberal Modernism!
The Church has been in turmoil since more than 300 priests led by Mgr Helmut Schüller called for disobedience on matters such as priestly celibacy and Communion for remarried divorcees...
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Let me make a prediction here. I believe there will likely be a full schism of the Catholic Church in Austria. This will make much news, and be hailed as being much bigger than it really is. Other Modernist groups in other nations will likely follow their lead. They may even try to make some kind of international network linking the groups together. There is no way to know how large these groups will actually get, however, in the end they will suffer the exact same fate as the U.S. Episcopal Church -- graying congregations, empty pews and eventual parish closures.
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Historically there was a married secular priesthood side by side with celibate religious orders until the middle ages. Optional celibacy is not a modernist concept as its actually older than mandatory celibacy.
However, all pagan religions had a female priesthood and this is what made Judaism and Christianity different; that an all male priesthood was chosen, 1st by Abraham and then by Jesus. So a change in that would be completely outside of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Sir Knight
I have to admit it, you called it!
http://www.mainlinemedianews.com/articles/2011/09/03/main_line_times/news/doc4e622e26019b9741622227.txt
on the other hand, Sir Knight.....another episcopal church moves towards Rome. Pete Frey
btw, Mr Knight, that church is but a stone's throw from St Charles Seminary, righ tin their back yard so to speak. Pete Frey
If the schism will draw all the flaky libtards away from the true Catholics, that will be a good thing. That will allow the real Catholics to get on with the work(s) we are supposed to be doing, without having to fight these losers on the inside of the Church.
I just noticed something Mr Knight, is that a bulls eye on the third fellow from the left? Pete Frey
It might as well be, but I don't think that's what it is. It looks like some kind of symbol in a circle, but I can't make it out. I suppose it could be anything. Who knows what goes through these people's heads.
While reading across the original article, the feeling I got is that these "priests" think they can pressure the hierarchy (as they call it) to give in to their whims.... As if the Truth were relative and negotiable!!
What is wrong with these people? It's as if they never knew what it means to be Catholic!
Anyway, these news stories are hardly surprising anymore... After reading your Catholic Prophecy tab many times I just have to conclude that this is one more step closer to the End....
This is a load of crap. Regardless, Scotju makes a good point. We don't need those types of people in the Church.
Catholic Knight, what does the Vatican have to say about this?
I have a question about the fate of the churches:
If the priests in a church decide to break away from the Catholic Church, do they still retain control of that church under the banner of whatever new form of "christianity" they invent?
Under Church law the bishop is usually required to own all properties in his diocese. So legally, he can sue to regain control of it. However, if the bishop is a schismatic himself, than all the properties go with him into whatever "church" he creates.
In TEC all parishes are owned by the diocese, not the Bishop, it appears though that the result is the same if the schismatic bishop gets to keep all the buildings.
I recall the Holy Father's comment that he would rather have a smaller church that was purer. This appears to be what is happening. Yes it is best to be rid of these modernists, as in the end they will end up with the same results as TEC and lose many members.
I assume they all will be ex-communicated and will no longer be able to call themselves Catholic.
Europe is very secular, as is the US, but even more so. What a shame, however, the Church will grow stronger and draw people who are truely orthodox in their beliefs.
Give all the ugly 1960's style modern churches to the schismatics and let the Catholic Church keep any beautiful properties. For reasons beyond my understanding, liberals have unimaginably bad taste in Church art, music, and architecture such as at Los Angeles and San Francisco metropolitan Cathedrals.
Lets recall that if there are schismatic bishops then whoever ordained them bishops made a poor judgement call. I suspect JPII was too nice in that respect and should have denied more bishoprics.
Regarding the post-conciliar architecture we have to remember that Liberalism (i.e. Modernism) is a type of insanity, a certified mental disorder, in which a person is willing to sacrifice all moral and cultural identity because he wants to be "liked" by all people. This mental disorder is based on personal insecurities and phobias. The person who suffers from it is psychologically and emotionally tortured. This will help to explain their incredibly poor taste in art and decor. The ambiance they prefer is what reflects their mental and emotional condition. In other words, it makes them feel more at home.
Interesting view point CK. You say the internal state of emotional and mental unbalance is reflected in external environments that modernists choose. I suppose this is the same disorder that infects the French who denigrate their own culture that was once the envy of the world and is now in decay. Self hatred and cultural suicide may be connected as you say...
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