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Sunday, November 6, 2011

They Shall Be Called Anglo Catholics


The Mass According to the Anglican Use of the Roman Rite

THE CATHOLIC KNIGHT: Here in the United States, Anglicans entering the pope's personal ordinariate for 'Groups of Anglicans' will likely have to be called 'Anglo Catholics' or 'Anglo-Catholics,' with or without the hyphen.

The reasons for this are complex. The first reason has to do with the name 'Anglican Catholic' itself. The Catholic Knight has recently learned from a fellow blogger that some small splinter-group of traditional Anglicans, not interested in the ordinariate, are claiming a legal service mark to the term 'Anglican Catholic' and may be threatening legal action against anyone else who dares to use it. While in my opinion it is unlikely that this group can really service mark such a general term, I believe it is equally unlikely that the ordinary of the U.S. ordinariate will seek a legal challenge to it. Though I think he would likely win such a legal challenge, it's probably not worth the fight. The second reason has to do with the fact that there are more than just Anglicans entering the American ordinariate. A small contingency of Lutherans, calling themselves the 'Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church' will also be joining the ordinariate. It would be inaccurate to describe this group as 'Anglican' per se' because they are not. They are Lutheran, and while they've obviously adopted some Anglican customs, they come from a form of Protestantism that originated in Germany under completely different pretences than the English Reformation. So to imply that they are 'Anglican' under an 'Anglican Catholic ordinariate.' Is somewhat of a misnomer.

The term 'Anglo,' coming from the Latin for the British tribes of 'Angles,' simply means 'English' and in a religious sense, it refers to the form and style of Christian worship that developed in the British isles. It is the same religious form used by high-church Anglicans, Anglo-Lutherans and the 'Anglican Use Pastoral Provision' parishes in the U.S. Catholic Church. So the term has a more broad base. While the ordinariate itself may be called anything under the sun, such as the 'Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham' as in England, and may possibly include the word 'Anglican' if that is the desire of those who control it, the term 'Anglo Catholic' might better be used as a loose, quick and informal way to refer to those Catholics who become members of the ordinariate.

The term 'Anglo-Catholic,' usually with a hyphen, has a long tradition of being used to describe high-church Anglicans anyway, and these are the type of Anglicans who are most likely to find interest in the pope's ordinariate. Removing the hyphen might be an easy way to loosely distinguish between those who are in the ordinariate and those who have yet to join. Those outside the ordinariate might be hyphenated 'Anglo-Catholic' while those inside the ordinariate might dispense of the hyphen 'Anglo Catholic.'

If the term 'Anglo Catholic' seems inappropriate, than about the only other term left is 'Anglican Use Catholic' as it is the term already used in the United States by the Anglican Use Pastoral Provision parishes.

Of course if none of these seem suitable than there is yet one last suggestion. The full Latin term for Anglican could be applied creating the term 'Anglicanus Catholic.'

24 comments:

SouthronCatholic said...

I wonder if this is what the Novus Ordo will look like after they get rid of the "spirit of V2" influences. While this is nice, I'll personally still prefer the Traditional Latin
Mass though this would certainly make attending a Novus Ordo on those times that that I can't make the Latin so much more bareable.

The Catholic Knight said...

It has become painfully clear that the reform of the Novus Ordo mass will be a slow and torturous process. The Modernist priests will not relent, and we are just going to have to wait for them all to retire. Bishops in dioceses with more younger priests available will be able to make reforms more quickly. Most bishops do not have this luxury. Full reform nationwide is at least ten to fifteen years away.

This will make the Extraordinary Form and the Anglican Use two oasis of refuge in the dessert of liturgical innovation.

Anonymous said...

With the discriminatory ban on British monarchs from marrying Catholics about to be finally removed, let us pray that the ban on a Catholic British Monarch itself will soon be abolished. The reason for perpetuating this ban has been the argument that the monarch is head of the Church of England. However, this church was founded by a psychopath, Henry VIII, who killed two of his wives, divorced two more, and married another two. With the disestablishment of the Church of England, Catholic cathedrals should be returned to their rightful owners. High hopes, but small steps are being made in the right direction.

Tito Edwards said...

Just a tiny small correction.

The Angles were not a British tribe, they were a German tribe from northern Germany that invaded the land of the Britons (today's Welsh and Scottish).

Jonathan Prester said...

I know quite a few Lutheran clerics who would love to swim the Tiber but who feel trapped. After eight years of education, the average pastor walks away with between $40,000 and $80,000 in debt; Lutherans are the lowest paid of all mainline denominations in America, insuring that the debt won't go away anytime soon; and of course we have wives to support, kids to feed, mortgages to whittle away.

Most of us have spent our entire adult lives training and working as clergy, without any credentials to do something else. Suddenly one day we realize, after years of study and prayer, that we're on the wrong side of the divide. And, for better or for worse, it takes quite a leap of faith to drop your family into bankruptcy. What can one do when being a pastor is all one knows or has ever wanted to know? Some spend bitter decades waiting to convert until they hit retirement.

I'm luckier than most: I got through three degrees without any debt, and in a few years my wife most likely will be able to shoulder the primary income, allowing me to shift to the ALCC and get whatever additional day job I can find. But I do believe that the trickle of Lutheran clergy will become a steady flow once we figure out how to cross over while still fulfilling our God-given offices of husband, father, and provider. Prayers are needed indeed.

Anonymous said...

Very interesting comments Jonathan Prester. Times are so tough now for so many. I will keep the Lutheran ministers in my prayers!

Anonymous said...

I could suggest creating a support organization for Lutheran ministers that need financial assistance to cross the Tiber. Then once an organization has been established, financial donations and scholarships may become possible. Just an idea.

Maria said...

For you ministers who would like information about conversion and asissitance please contact Marcus Grodi at Coming Home Network. It's what they do! Have faith and trust Our Lord.

James F. said...

SouthronCatholic,

The Catholic Knight has mentioned that a complete overhaul of the ordinary form is rumored to be happening behind closed doors. Will the new ordinary form be the Anglican Ordinarite Liturgy (which also will change slightly from the current Anglican Use Liturgy)? Possibly, but I think it would be more likely the new ordinary form may be the 1965 Missal, which is what Vatican II's Sacrosanctum Concilium intended the Liturgy to be like. The only thing I think they would alter is add a third reading, as the Novus Ordo has.

The Catholic Knight said...

Indeed James, the Holy See is working on a general revision of the Novus Ordo (Ordinary Form) mass behind closed doors. Nothing is 'official' as of yet. This is an ongoing process, which is not expected to be completed for some time.

It is highly unlikely that this new version of the Ordinary Form will have anything to do with the upcoming ordinariate liturgy. In fact, I expect them to be just as different when completed as they are now.

The revised Novus Ordo (Ordinary Form) whenever it comes out, will likely be a reworking of the Tridentine (Extraordinary Form) mass. I imagine the 1965 Missal will play into this to some degree. Bishop Fellay of the SSPX has claimed to have some direct knowledge of it. (I believe he has seen some working drafts.) His description is that this new revision of the Ordinary Form will come in two parts. The first part is the Liturgy of the Word, which looks very similar to the way the Novus Ordo looks now, with very little changes at all. The second part is the Liturgy of the Eucharist, which is basically a simplified version of the old Tridentine (Extraordinary Form) mass. I can't remember if he said this, or if it was another, but I believe the Sign of Peace is to be moved as well, to around the Creedo.

Meanwhile the revision of the ordinariate liturgy is expected to be quite different. Using the current Book of Divine Worship as a guide, it is expected that Rite Two (or the contemporary English version) is to be jettisoned completely. Rite One (traditional English) will become the norm. If ordinariate priests don't like Rite One they will be free to use the Novus Ordo Roman liturgy. The mass in this new Book of Divine Worship will likely be similar to the liturgy found in the Anglican Missal, while the prayerbook itself is likely to see an expansion of the Office to include those suggestions put forward in the new Anglican Use Office book.

Anonymous said...

Let us pray that the masons and communists that had previously infiltrated the church may be finally rooted out so we can have a religion back. Furthermore, let us infiltrate their organizations and change them from within and see how they like it.

The Catholic Knight said...

The Masons and Communists cannot be 'infiltrated' by faithful Catholics, because to associate with these organisations in any way is to betray the Catholic faith. No, Masons and Comminists cannot be reformed, they can only be defeated in the Marketplace of ideas. They must be exposed for what they are, and vanquished in every field. This can only be done through prayer and speaking the truth about them.

What is the truth? Masons are syncritists. They oppose Christianity entirely (not just Catholicism) by teaching their members that there is more than one way to heaven. The Communists (Socialists and Marxists) are worse than Capitalists because they advocate the concentration of all property into the hand of the few (government autocrats) rather than the wide distribution of property into the hands of the people (Distributism). In effect the Socialists/Marxists/Communists are even MORE against the little man than the Capitalists, and that's pretty bad when you consider how bad the Capitalists really are.

Communism/Socialism/Marxism will be defeated by Distributism, and Freemasonry will be defeated simply by the Gospel and pointing out its syncritist nature. All of this requires us, as Catholics to pray and speak he truth.

Mary said...

The return to the authentic Catholic Eucharistic Celebration has been long overdue. Thank God for Blessed Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedic XVI for responding to the Guidance of the Holy Spirit to bring back to be truly "Catholic" in Prayers and Worship during the Holy Eucharistic Celebration. Let every faithful Catholic pray that our One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church remains true to Her Bridegroom and protect the purity of all our Sacraments, especially the Eucharist. The Anglicans and Lutherans who are joining the Catholic Church must be prepared to abandon their form of Worship and assimilate totally to the Catholic Worship

The Catholic Knight said...

Mary, the only assimilation that will be done is doctrinal. They already posess full Catholic worship as you can see in the video above.

Anonymous said...

Actually the Anglican Use Liturgy is much closer to what the Latin Rite liturgy was before VII.

Except for some responses taken from the 1979 BCP and the OF, which Rome decided to incorporate into the AU liturgy.

Hopefully the new revised AU liturgy will be very close to one of the Anglican Missals, except for some of the beautiful prayers that are Anglican, but very Catholic, the liturgy itself is a close translation of the EF liturgy.

This seems to be the reason that Pope Benedict is so supportive of the Anglican Patrimony, as it will bring back many of the Catholic traditions that are no longer in use and give Catholics another option to worship in the beauty of holiness.

Anonymous said...

This article is extremely well-written and very informative. I just have one question: Why would Anglicans or Lutherans entering into full communion need to be called anything other than CATHOLICS? They are entering into full - not partial - communion. To give them a hyphenated name (with the possible exception of Ordinariate-Catholics) is to imply that they are partially Catholic, while remaining partially something else.

I have worshipped in an AU parish since 1994. I am a cradle Catholic. I do not consider myself an "Anglo-Catholic" nor does anyone else in the parish. We are all Catholics.

MM

The Catholic Knight said...

Anonymous, in answer to your question, folks entering the Church through the Pope's personal ordinariate for Anglicans need not be called anything but "Catholic" if that is what they want, because that is what they are.

Nevertheless, there has always been a need in Catholic culture to distinguish between the various types of Catholicism. For example, Catholics from the Byzantine Rite often use the term "Byzantine Catholic" to describe themselves, and the same could be true of all the various eastern rite Catholics. In contrast, the term "Roman Catholic" is even used in the Catechism to distinguish between the Western Latin Rite and the various Eastern rites. Within the Western Church itself, there is more than one Rite. There is also the Ambrosian Rite, which is almost always distinguished by the term "Ambrosian Catholic" to differentiate with general Roman Catholics. Again, none of these extra titles are necessary, but they do make things convenient to help people easily distinguish between the various traditions. So it will be the same with Anglo Catholics. Though there is no reason to add the extra name, and certainly nobody is obligated to use it, it makes for an easy reference to distinguish those Roman Catholics who observe the Anglican patrimony and those who do not.

Anonymous said...

Catholic Knight you tell Mary that “the only assimilation that will be done is doctrinal....." It is important to note that the Anglican Church lost a verifiable apostolic succession for its priests after Henry V111 made himself head of the church in England. We cannot therefore be sure that Anglican priests are properly ordained and they have to be re-ordained to be sure of true Catholic apostolic succession. This is no small matter for without apostolic succession they cannot do the transubstantiation of the Eucharist. This is more than doctrinal separation.

The Catholic Knight said...

Agreed, which is why every Anglo Catholic priest will receive conditional ordination from a Roman Catholic bishop. The rite of ordination is identical and Roman Catholic bishops can perform it without any difficulty. This is how it's being done in England right now.

Giulia said...

The "Cradle Catholics" are coming home. I have never been to an Anglo-Catholic church. Can I take communion?

The Catholic Knight said...

If you are a Catholic (of any type) in communion with the Holy See in Rome, and in a state of grace, you may receive communion at any Anglican-Use or Anglo-Catholic parish that is also in communion with Rome. Check with the pastor or parish directory ahead of time to see if they are in communion with Rome. If so, than you (as a cradle Catholic) may receive communion there any time.

Anonymous said...

Maybe you should read this before you decide on a name. It is just as ridiculous to segregate this group with a name as it is to segregate adult converts by calling them "RCIA Catholics." It's an oxymoron. The word "Catholic" means "universal." Stop sub-dividing, already!

tohttp://www.theanglocatholic.com/2011/11/all-one/

-Member of an Anglican Use community for 18 happy years
And btw, most of the women do not wear chapel veils.

The Catholic Knight said...

Nobody is segregating here. An Anglican Use Catholic is a Catholic - period. The name is simply to distinguish Liturgical difference, such as Byzantine Catholic, Marionite Catholic and Ambrosian Catholic. But nobody would dare deny that any of these groups are anything different than 100% Catholic -- no more and no less.

As for the chapel veil thing. I have seen otherwise.

Jack Grimes said...

I think the best label to serve the purpose of distinction without getting mixed up with anti-papal "Anglo-Catholics" would "Anglo-Roman Catholics."

Demonstrates both Anglican heritage and unity with and submission to the Rock of St. Peter