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Tuesday, June 7, 2011

The Chapel Veil Campaign


THE CATHOLIC KNIGHT: Starting in Advent 2011, the U.S. Catholic Church is to begin its long awaited, and much anticipated, liturgical reforms of the English mass. The new translation, demanded by the Vatican, will reflect a much more accurate rendering of the official Latin version of the Novus Ordo liturgy issued by Rome nearly 40 years ago. (You can download a PDF of the new English mass HERE.) This marks a major shift in the American Church toward a more traditional and orthodox approach to the liturgy. You can read more about the coming changes here.

Some women have expressed to 'The Catholic Knight' a desire to return to the time honored custom of wearing the chapel veil during mass, and see the coming liturgical changes as a perfect opportunity to do this. Returning to this tradition will serve to further reinforce the message that the Catholic Church is the same today as it was yesterday, and the time honored customs of the Church have not died out, but on the contrary, live and breath through a new generation of Catholic women.

Sacred Scripture presents several reasons for wearing the chapel veil. St. Paul tells us in his first letter to the Corinthians (11:1-16) that Christian women must cover their heads because it is a Sacred Tradition commanded by our Lord Himself and entrusted to Paul: "The things I am writing to you are the Lord's commandments" (1 Cor. 14:37). "That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels" wrote St. Paul (1 Cor. 11:10). The invisible hierarchy should be respected because the angels are present at all Christian assemblies during worship, offering the Holy Sacrifice with us according to the honor due to God. St. John the Apostle wrote: "And another angel came and stood before the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense that he might offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which is before the throne." (Rev. 8:3, see also Matt. 18:10). They are offended by a lack of reverence at mass. The women of Corinth, beset by modern sensibilities, started coming to church without their heads covered. When St. Paul heard of their neglect, he wrote and urged them to keep the veil. According to St. Jerome's commentary Bible, he finally settled the matter by saying the head covering was a custom of the primitive communities of Judea, "the Churches of God" (1 Thess. 2-14, 2 Thess. 1-4) which had received this Tradition from early times (2 Thess., 2:15, 3:6). The “veil” represented modesty in many religions and cultures, especially in Judaism which was the cradle of the early Christian Church. A veil or head covering, is both a symbol and a mystical sacrifice that invites the woman wearing it to ascend the ladder of sanctity. When a woman covers her head in the Catholic Church it symbolizes her dignity and humility before God. It should not surprise us why so many modern women have so easily abandoned the tradition of the chapel veil (head covering) when the greatest meaning of the veil is modesty. It is purely an anti-Catholic culture that frowns on modesty. Do not be deceived, it was Secular feminism (a militantly anti-Catholic movement), that shunned Catholic women for wearing the chapel veil, telling them that a male dominated Church seeks to repress them. Such lunacy was nothing more than a lie straight from hell. If it were true, women would have been instructed to veil in the presence of men, but that is not the case at all. Both Sacred Scripture and previous canon law instructed women to veil in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament (not men), and particularly during the public prayer of the holy mass. The veil is a sign of modesty before our Eucharistic Lord. It is NOT a sign of male dominance. You can learn more about the custom of the chapel veil and what it means here.

'The Chapel Veil Campaign' is accompanied by a survey poll which can be viewed at the top of this blog. 'The Catholic Knight' requests that all you Catholic ladies out there review this material and prayerfully consider it. Then cast your vote in the accompanying poll to express your support for The Chapel Veil Campaign. Your vote of support will help other Catholic women muster the courage to do the same. The idea is to encourage young Catholic women all over the English-speaking world to put away the rebellion of the 1970s "hippy" generation, and start wearing the chapel veil again.

In the United States, the new English translation of the liturgy is currently scheduled to go into effect in Advent of 2011. That's because the US Catholic bishops no longer have permission from the Vatican to celebrate the "defective" English translation of the Novus Ordo mass we've been using since the 1970s. Since permission to celebrate it has been revoked, the US Catholic bishops will be unable to delay the transition anymore.

The return of the chapel veil, along with the liturgical renewal in the English translation of the mass, will send a clear and definite signal to the world that English-speaking Catholics have not lost the time-honored traditions of our sacred Catholic faith.

Please pass this message on by sending a Chapel Veil Campaign link to friends and family...
http://catholicknight.blogspot.com/2007/12/chapel-veil-campaign.html


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92 comments:

H.E.Flannery said...

As a counterpart to the chapel veil for women, we need a campaign to restore dignity to the way men present themselves at Mass. No more jeans, t-shirts, shorts and other inappropriate dress. If we truly believe, then we would act accordingly.

Anonymous said...

I welcome wearing the veil and we have discussed on our knitting site.

I apologize for sounding ignorant, but I would rather pray one the the Catholics running for office would change their position. We have 5 Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court.

I know Jesus says to turn the other check and still hold out our hands...but I am concerned as a Baptist that Huckabee believes Catholics are not Christians and teach in their schools that we will got to Hell.

Or if Mr. Huckabee could let me know that he doesn't agree with some of the baptist teachings regarding Catholics. I live in the South and my husband was told that my daughter and I were going to Hell because we were Catholics.

I may pray a rosary for Mr. Huckabee - but not for President.

The Catholic Knight said...

Dear Anonymous,

I'm so glad you're open to wearing the veil, and I applaud your courage to go against the prevailing anti-catholic culture that tells women not to veil their heads. Please tell others about our Chapel Veil Campaign.

Regarding Governor Huckabee, I don't think you have anything to worry about. I live in the Midwest/South too, and one thing I've learned is that there are many different kinds of Baptists, and you just can't lump them all into one group. Some are just as you say. They believe we Catholics aren't Christians and are going straight to hell. However, most Baptists hold less extreme views these days. I work with some Southern Baptists who refer to me as their "Catholic brother." I've even read of some Southern Baptist churches adopting the observance of Ash Wednesday and Lent because it goes right along with their Baptist ideology of repentance of sin, and trusting in Jesus.

Since it's impossible to really know what kind of a Baptist a man is just by knowing his religious affiliation, you have to look directly at the man, and judge his beliefs by his own words. In the case of Mike Huckabee, he has already repudiated the words of Pastor Tim Rude, who wrote a letter to him implying that Catholics are not Christians. Such a repudiation says a lot for Mike Huckabee, in that it would appear he at least acknowledges Catholics as Christians.

I wouldn't hold your breath about Mayor Rudy Giuliani ever changing his Pro-Abortion views. He may be a Catholic in name, but when it comes to Social Justice, Mike Huckabee (a former Baptist minister) is more Catholic than Rudy Giuliani could ever hope to be. It's sad, but true.

Please pass the word on about the Chapel Veil Campaign. We need to let women know that its an anti-catholic culture that tells women not to veil their heads, and if we want to overcome anti-catholicism, we're going to have to embrace our historic Catholic traditions.

H.E.Flannery said...

I would make the following point to any Catholics who read about chapel veils and have a sense of shock that this is reverting to a bygone era.

Consider when little girls make their First Communion. What does everyone do? They run out and buy that a veil to cover the little one's heads.

Consider when a bride is married in the church. What does she wear upon her exquisitely constructed updo? Yes, once again, a veil.

We don't think about it, but we have retained this practice for occasions, times that we feel are holy and special, but for what ever reasons have pushed it out for our regular lives.

If you agree in principle, but can't stand the thought of it, and the jeers from friends, make it a fashion statement. There is no rule that says you have to wear one of the traditional lacy numbers. A colorful scarf wrapped fashionable about your locks is keeping true to the holiness and dignity of your womanhood. Reclaim what has been taken away from you.

The Catholic Knight said...

Agreed Flannery,

Catholic women have been robbed by an anti-catholic culture of militant feminism, that has lied to them, and told them falsehoods about what the chapel veil is and what it means. This culture has deprived them of their God-given right to be veiled in Church as a holy vessel. It's high time Catholic women take back what rightfully belongs to them.

The Catholic Knight said...

My understanding is that the Church no longer chooses to enforce this custom under the new Code of Canon Law, which in my understanding means the Church simply chooses not to be our nanny on such matters anymore.

However, the Biblical mandate still remains, and nothing has abrogated it. Then of course there is the matter of our historic traditions. The only difference now being that it's a personal matter between a woman and her reading of the Bible. The Scripture says what it says, and it cannot be changed. There are those who say this is merely a cultural norm, but aside from the fact that it would be odd for St. Paul to waste so much ink on a supposed "cultural norm," we could just as easily say the custom as been the cultural norm of Roman Catholicism for nearly 2,000 years.

I find nothing in Scripture, nor in my limited knowledge of tradition, to suggest that this is a "devotion" simply for women who are "called to it." It seems to me there is something more.

The new Code of Canon Law has made it clear that it will no longer enforce this issue with any kind of penalty. Catholic women need not worry about any consequences for not wearing a veil anymore. And in all honesty, I think the Church made a wise decision with that. The whole idea of forcing women to veil sort of defeats the whole purpose of veiling if you ask me. So the Church places the ball back in the women's court, leaving it for them to decide on their own. In spite of that, however, the Scriptures say what they say, and the Scriptures cannot be changed.

tkmuskrat said...

This is neat! I am not Catholic, but a nondenominational Christian, and I cover all the time (not just at church!) I find this very encouraging to see that more women may be covering, even if its just in mass/service.

I don't agree with all the Catholic faith, but my husband and I have had many discussions about it (he grew up Catholic), and he has done a good job in dispelling my misconceptions of the faith (coming from my Southern Baptist upbringing lol). As long as the message of Jesus is being taught, that is waht should matter.

Anyway, I really enjoyed the blog

The Catholic Knight said...

tkmuskrat,

Thank you. I'm so glad this blog is a service to you, and I'm so glad your husband has been dispelling those "misconceptions" about us and our Catholic faith. God bless him, and God bless you. For the time being anyway, on the issue of veiling (covering), it would appear that you are more "Catholic" than many of the women in our Church these days.

Coffee Catholic said...

Hello Catholic Knight! I'm a woman that wears veils, hats, and bonnets to Mass. I try to never ever enter the church without my head covered for all of the reasons you stated in your other awesome post about veiling.

I refuse to allow the Femenists to take away my right to be a WOMAN!

Beatrice said...

I'm interested in the fact that one may only vote in the poll if they agree with chapel veiling - there's no option to cast a vote if, like me, you've reviewed the information, engaged in thoughtful prayer, and come to a different conclusion than the one you've presented here. I think that's a shame. Why call it a "poll" when the options are all the same?

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Karen said...

Thank you for sharing your ideas on this. I enjoyed reading them. I also linked to you from my blog. I am a headcovering Christian woman who is in the process of joining the Catholic church. I should be confirmed in a matter of weeks. God bless!

Katrinka Yobotz said...

If you read in 1 Corininthians chapter 11, Paul is describing the reasons for the Jewish tradition, with his final thoughts on the subject beginning at verse 11:

"However, in the Lord, though woman is nothing without man, man is nothing without woman; and though woman came from man, so does every man come from a woman, and everything comes from God.

"Decide for yourselves: does it seem fitting that a woman should pray to God without a veil? Does not nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but when a woman has long hair, it is her glory? After all, her hair was given to her to be a covering.

"If anyone wants to be contentious, I say that we have no such custom, nor do any of the churches of God."

It appears to me to be a topic similar to other Jewish traditions such as cicumcision or Saturday worship.

I am curious why his conclusion is not specifically mentioned in this discussion.

Marie Duchesne said...

I began veiling on 1 Jan of this year. It's been a long process for me, which ultimately began about 2 years ago. I got a lot of encouragement from this blog and wanted to share that with you. I have discovered I approach the Blessed Sacrament with much more humility and reference than I ever did before. Since I am the ONLY person at Mass to wear a head-covering, I get tons of looks. My husband, though, finds it very beautiful. I hope this year to attend Latin Mass for the first time.

culbreath said...

Katrinka has a valid point. While the veil is not a sign of male "dominance", it IS a symbol of male headship, as St. Paul taught, among all of the other good things you mentioned. I think we need to be clear about this: the Catholic Church has not changed her teaching on male headship. Catholic ladies who wear the chapel veil should understand, and assent, to the full significance of what they are doing.

marciav72 said...

I started wearing a chapel veil 4weeks ago after being drawn to it for a long time (much like Marie). It has completely changed my approach to the Blessed Sacrament and I am so much more reverent at Mass. I have studied the theology and tradition of the chapel veil and I pray that more women will return to this practice. It is so beautiful!

Cammie said...

I have felt drawn to wear a veil for a little over a year, when I was confirmed at the Easter Vigil in 2007. I went out and picked out a beautiful veil, but because no one else in our parish wears a veil I've kept it tucked away. My husband and I have discussed my wearing a veil and I've finally after much prayer and though I've decided to start wearing one this summer after the birth of our daughter. I want her to grow up feeling that wearing a veil in church is completely natural, even if most of the women around us aren't wearing one.
Reading your blog and the comments had definitely further encouraged me. I know I'm not alone in my thoughts and feelings on this!

The Catholic Knight said...

Cammie,

You, and others like yourself, are the reason why I've blogged on this issue so heavily. As you can see by the poll at the top of every page on this blog, the chapel veil is supported by the overwhelming majority of Catholics - both men and women (approx. 76%). While about 5% are unsure on the matter, a small minority of just 17% are dead set against it. (I assume these are mostly feminists, and are probably older women.)

However, because of this mere 17%, the overwhelming majority of Catholic women (nearly all), in the English-speaking world, no longer practice veiling. Why? Because they're afraid. They're afraid of what others will think. Yet I've proved on this blog that those who disapprove are a small (albeit loud) minority. They are vastly outnumbered by those who do approve.

This is what we call "the tyranny of the minority." It's when a small group of people are able to control an entire population simply through peer pressure. That's what's going on here. A small minority of "feminist" Catholic women (about 17%) are coercing nearly all Catholic women, by means of peer pressure. They do it by being loud and obnoxious. Put on a veil, and they jump all over you.

That's just WRONG, plain and simple. It's a form of bullying, and it violates what the Bible says on the matter. This small minority of women, are not only behaving as bullies, but their borderline heretics, because in pressuring women to remove the veil, they violate the plain teachings of Scripture on the matter.

I put the chapel veil poll at the top of every page on this blog so women who want to veil will see that they have nothing to fear. Those who support them are in the MAJORITY - a large majority. Only a very tiny minority oppose them, and they do so in violation of Scripture.

Women who wish to veil must take courage. They must understand that they're doing the right thing. And most importantly, they must understand that the few women who oppose this are not only a tiny minority, but they're acting as bullies and heretics when they do so.

It's time for Catholic women to be strong. It's time for them to stand up to tyranny. How dare any women pressure another to ignore the plain teachings of Scripture on this matter! If that tiny minority wants to refuse the veil, then so be it. Nobody is making them do it. But how dare they try to pressure another women to refuse the veil. Who do they think they are!?!

That's the kind of courage Catholic women need to muster. God bless you for doing so for the sake of your daughter.

Andre V. said...

I think my wife will wear one, in fact when she gets back home from visiting her mom I will ask her about wearing one. That being said I will do my best to always wear a tie and when we have cooler weather a suit. I normally wear slacks and a dress shirt but see many men coming to church wearing jeans and concert t-shirts. I don't think my wife will have any objections to wearing the veil she is from South America and they are a bit more strict in tradition and very old fashioned compared to N. American women. Thanks for posting this.

annie said...

I think all this talk about "to wear or not to wear a veil" in- side a church is missing the point.A visitor to the Vaticandoes not have to wear a veil but are required to be modestly dressed. One only has to look round their attending church to see the array of "undress" almost in every pew. Also people talking and laughing at the most reverend moments of the mass. I think receiving the Holy Eucharist on the hand, and not spending more time after communion for reflection is more serious than whether to wear a veil or not.
I respect all the comments I have read, but I think there is a bigger agenda in the church than wearing a veil.

Stef said...

Interesting article about the Chapel Veil! Thank you.

However I found in a Catholic commentary (about 1 Cor 11) a note that the head covering is seen by the Catholic Church as a discipline matter that is no longer binding on men and women today (see Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith: Inter insignores [1976], 4, http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_df76ii.htm:
"But it must be noted that these ordinances, probably inspired by the customs of the period, concern scarcely more than disciplinary practices of minor importance, such as the obligation imposed upon women to wear a veil on their head (1 Cor 11:2-16); such requirements no longer have a normative value.")
What do you think about it?

The Catholic Knight said...

The key word in this note is "obligated.". It is true that there is no canon law obligation for women to do this, but that doesn't mean it isn't still customary. In that sense it's sort of like making the sign of the cross when praying.While the laity are not obligated to do this it is still customary. So I would completely disagree with the part of the note saying that it has no value, because according to St Paul it certainly does. But I would agree with the part of the note that says it is no longer obligatory. Canon law can no longer be used to force women to keep this custom. I would go even further in questioning if it was ever really appropiate for canon law to be used in that capacity at all.

+JMJ+ said...

I started wearing the veil about 3-4 years ago after much reading.

Thank you for this campaign. I have linked to your campaign on my blog and also shared what lead me to offer MORE reverence and humility to Our Lord.

Purpleflowerpatch said...

Your campaign has stirred me to take the next step. I have written my own story on my blog and linked to yours. Bless you!!
Jenny

Janet Baker said...

I believe this is a case of "straining the gnat and swallowing the camel". What do I mean? Well, I once saw a family with young people. The girls had veils: but they also had tight-fitting jeans. The boys simply looked like they crawled out of an alley after a gang fight. Let's forget the veils until we take care of the rest of the body. That being said, here goes. For both genders: no denim, no shorts, no sneakers or open-toed shoes, no tee-shirts or anything sleeveless. Ladies: skirts or dresses covering at least the knee. No bare legs, formal, close-toed shoes. Modest blouses - sleeves, no cleavage. They should be tucked in or hang well below the belt. Gentlemen of all ages: jacket and tie at all times - and keep the jackets on. Dress shoes and dress shirts. I actually think men need to pay more attention here because modesty issues aside, they're the ones who tend to dress more slovenly at Mass. Let's get the basics down first.

Linus said...

As a man I do not feel write having a say in whether or not a woman must wear this veil. Yes, it may bring back a tradition and symbol of reverence to the church, a reversion back to the times when there was respect and reverence in the pews, this does not come down solely to dress. Dressing up and showing respect by way of one's appearance certainly aids one's mind in focusing on the liturgy. I really don't see dress as a problem though. Rather, I see the lack of respect during mass as a problem that needs to be addressed first.

Excuse me for being bitter but a man in jeans and flip flops can have a far deeper faith and respect for the mass than a man in suit and tie. Their respective appearances may appear contrary, but such is life.

A decision such as this should be made by the individual for his or her (in this case her) own belief and faith life. Those who want to wear veils will, whether or not this becomes mandated, and those who don't will only be upset by the change.

Kerry Ramirez said...

I am a Catholic woman who attends the Latin mass exclusively. Those of us who attend the Traditional Latin Mass and the masses said by the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) always wear chapels veils, never wear pants to mass, never wear short skirts or tank tops to mass, and we have done so since the first Latin masses were said in hotels back in the early 1970s. Why were we attending Latin masses in hotels? Because the local bishops refused us entry into the diocese churches, telling us the Latin mass was "forbidden." I welcome this return to tradition, hoping and prayer that the Church will return to all of Her traditions. I welcome the Pope’s desire to heal the schism with the SSPX (whose members have always supported the Pope) and his lifting of the excommunication of our Society priests.

anison said...

I personally choose not to veil, and have little interest in what other women choose, though I would be very interested in meeting and speaking to a woman in my community who chose to veil. Despite being a "modern, liberated woman" and a feminist, I would never dream of criticizing her choice.

I also feel compelled to comment on the bias inherent in your phrasing of the poll options. Even before I read your article, your position on "Biblically modest" vs. "Modern, liberated" women was painfully clear. I would suggest, in the interest of ethical journalism, that you modify the poll options for women to resemble those you have for men, e.g. "I am a woman who chooses to veil" or "I am a woman who chooses not to veil."

Cammie said...

I really appreciate this article (I just reread it). I read it the first time about a year ago before my daughter was born and said that I would start wearing the veil after my daughter was born. I was nervous about how people would treat me, but I started wearing the veil when we went to Mass the first time when my daughter was a week old and have had my head covered at Mass ever since. I've gotten a few weird looks and a lot of curious looks, but I think most people are used to it by now.

I do have a question for any women or husbands whose wives veil about how they keep their veil from slipping (or being pulled off) during mass. My daughter (who is now eight months old) is fascinated by my veil and it's hard to keep it in place!

The Catholic Knight said...

Cammie,

I've seen some women use some kind of clip to keep their veils in place. Other women use shawls instead, by simply wrapping them around the head and over the shoulder -- see illustration here and here.

Anonymous said...

Dear Ones,

I was "on team" for a Cursillo-style retreat in the UMC last weekend wherein several men were moved by the Holy Spirit to repent of their addiction to pornography. In exploring this further, I've learned this secret sin is rampant in the Christian community in general and even among the Clergy.

Any step toward modesty is a step toward holiness in this sex-poisoned society. How is this pertinent to the chapel veil campaign? Some men who struggle with this sin, yet desire holiness, obedience and surrender to Jesus, encounter a stumbling block in immodesty.

Women who understand this should be glad to contribute to the Church's holiness by covering their heads in worship and perhaps consider modestly covering other physical attributes as well.

Struggling men will praise God for that blessing!

Anonymous said...

Your poll is biased as is your interpretation.

As you can see by the poll at the top of every page on this blog, the chapel veil is supported by the overwhelming majority of Catholics - both men and women (approx. 76%). While about 5% are unsure on the matter, a small minority of just 17% are dead set against it. (I assume these are mostly feminists, and are probably older women.)


I am an older woman, and I had to veil when I was a child. I dislike wearing hats--always have. This says nothing about the state of my soul--it's a personal preference. Where is the scholarship that traces the history of head coverings? During the reign of Elizabeth I (an Anglican), everyone over the age of five had to wear a head covering out of respect for God.

If women wish to veil--do so! But, don't make superficial judgements on those of us who prefer NOT to veil.

cadetpsmurf said...

so do you think this blog is transendent?

Anonymous said...

I was at church a couple of weeks ago, when a young man and a young woman sat down. She had completely bare back and shoulders. Which is bizzare in winter(it's cold here,I have seen sandals in the snow which is also very strange.) The man kept stroking the woman with the bare back in church. Very distracting. I think the men look even more like a slobs than the women do.

Anonymous said...

Before we ask Catholic woment to consider veiling, everyone needs to learn how to dress appropriately for mass. No more flip flops, shorts, mini-skirts, dirty jeans, t-shirts, or bare shoulders would be a good start. My parish is located within walking distance of an Ivy League university and while it's lovely to see young people attend mass, there have to be some standards.

Anonymous said...

I began veiling six months ago. As a kid, I was somewhat fascinated with my mother's chapel veils, and I would sometimes play with them when she wasn't home. However, I never thought that I'd end up veiling as an adult.

If you veil, good for you.
If you don't want to veil, good for you.

The point is, its great that we have the freedom to choose. I did it because its my way of showing respect for myself and God when I go to Mass. I've grown accustomed to veiling; I quite like it. I think I'd feel naked if I tried to go back to not wearing a veil.

Paula said...

I am a brand new Catholic as of Saturday night and thrilled to be a part of the family.
I have seen women on EWTN wearing veils at Mass sometimes and I have considered it but hadn't thought about it a great deal. No one in my congregation wears a veil but I'm definitely not one of those people who won't do something because I am afraid of what people will say.

Now that I have had the Eucharist, things are very different for me. I have come from a very dark place and have been forgiven much. I like the idea of further reverence to my sweet Lord. I am, after all, the bride of Christ, am I not? :)
I know my husband would support the idea. He thinks they are very beautiful as well.
By the way, these big changes that are coming in 2010, will they be happening in Canada too?

Tiffany said...

Cammie,

As a fellow mother who's baby is fascinated by my veil I have a suggestion. I had tried tying my veil, clipping it in my hair, etc with no luck. So, what I did was go out and bought a black headband (my veil is black since I am a married woman) and attached my veil to the headband. My veil now stays in place without any issue!

Tiffany said...

I agree a lot with the various comments about dressing modestly in Mass. However, as a mother and a nursing mother I wanted to point out for some women wearing skirts/dress isn't always the most modest thing. I can't wear dresses as a nursing mother because then I can't nurse my baby. I have also found since my baby has gotten bigger that wearing skirts is harder and harder. My baby at times will pull on my skirts and I risk him pulling the skirt right off me (due to the fact that most times to find skirts that are modest in my area they only have elastic bands not actual button closures). In this instance I think for modest sake I am better off wearing a nice pair of dress slacks then a skirt.

My point is I don't think that to be modest and dressed approatiately for church one must always wear skirts/dresses. Sometimes, as in my case it isn't practical or do-able.

Trevor S. said...

Paula, Congratulations on being received into the Church this past Easter Vigil. I was baptised, confirmed and received Holy Communion only one liturgical year ago too.

From what I can tell, the same types of liturgical reforms in terms of tranlation is coming, but when, I am not sure. I do know that this Pentacost (May 31) the CCCB requires the use of a new Lectionary (the book that has the readings for the Mass) that will use an updated version of the NRSV. Some of the updates include the prophecy in Isaiah of Mary's Virgin conception of Our Lord will be rendered as the theologically clear "virgin" rather than very literal "young woman".

Basically the Vatican told the CCCB to either abandon the NRSV as it was or modify it. They chose to modify it.

This might mean that the entire Mass may be further along here, but who really knows.

Here is some further info: http://blog.grigaitis.net/2009/04/canada-is-now-using-an-approved-lectionary/

http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2007/09/canadian-lectionary-spin-vs-reality.html

http://www.cccbpublications.ca/site/component/option,com_virtuemart/page,shop.browse/category_id,200/Itemid,53/vmcchk,1/

Trevor S. said...

http://www.cccb.ca/site/images/stories/pdf/newsletter_spring_2008.pdf

Here is the most up to date info I've found on the Canadian inplementation of the liturgical reforms

conflay said...

I admit that I have not done a lot of research on this but if it's so important for a lay woman to take the extra step to wear a veil then what are the extra steps for men to show modesty? If my future husband wants me to wear a veil then he better be ready to put on a kippah, that's my two cents :-)

Anonymous said...

You need to provide the option: "I am a modern, liberated woman and I WILL veil."

Yes, I do.

When others see more "like them" veiling, they will be more pursuaded to do so.

Mary

Anonymous said...

I agree with Annie above: "I respect all the comments I have read, but I think there is a bigger agenda in the church than wearing a veil."

Anonymous said...

I enrolled my son in a very conservative Catholic prep-school when he began middle school. They do not practice the Novus Ordo mass, rather they have permission to follow an Anglican rite and they have Latin mass every Friday. I noticed that some women in that congregation wore chapel veils. I have lovely memories of my grandmother wearing a Spanish lace mantilla to church everyday (and she was one of the few old ladies that still wore one). Just before I turned 35, I found a website that sold beautiful imported Spanish lace mantillas. I treated myself to a silver and black one very similar to my grandmother's and have been wearing one ever since. I now notice more women wearing them in my congregation. Some of them are older hispanic ladies, but many are young women like me with their families. I make an effort to wear a dress or modest skirt to mass instead of pants. I can't say that I do it for any other reason than to feel like I have made a special preparation to come to the presence of the Lord. By dressing modestly and wearing a veil, I know that I am going somewhere special. Not to work, or the grocery store, but to a sacred place. I keep the veil in my glove compartment, so I will have it if I ever need to stop into a church unexpectedly.

Marigold said...

I was brought up a Christian but had lost my faith for a long time and I have recently just believed again and started going to church. I would just like to ask is it just the Catholic or do people feel that people who are C of E should also wear a veil?

I am C of E and after a long time of reading about Veil’s and what it means to wear one I truly believe in it's meaning. I find it a real shame that not everyone wears a veil.

The Catholic Knight said...

Marigold, the tradition is for ALL Christian women, not just Catholics. Based on Scripture and historic Church tradition, it is expected of ALL Christian women, but no woman can ever be forced to wear one against her will. What you experience in the C of E is probably similar to what a lot of Catholic women experience in the US Catholic Church. Feminism has left its mark on the western world. If you feel compelled to veil, then do so out of obedience to the Lord, and in doing so, you may actually start a trend. I'm sure everyone here wishes you the best. God bless.

Mujerlatina said...

I'm in my late forties and we all wore a mantilla until 1972 when, after a trip to see the Pope in the Vatican, my mom noticed nobody else there was wearing either a veil or gloves. So upon our return to the United States she told us that we probably could go to Mass sans veil. I followed suit, but always felt "naked" and less devoted at Mass. I came across your marvelous website back in January. It provided much information and links to other germane sites. Since then I have begun to wear a mantilla, and my 7 year-old loves hers as well. My 10 year old refuses to wear a veil, but agrees to a wide headband. My experience at Mass has been richly renewed because I have finally returned to the roots of my tradition! Others have begun to wear the mantilla in Mass in the past months I have noticed. I am a physician, single mom of two young children and consider myself a "maternal feminist." The mantilla is my outward sign of devotion and respect to our Lord during Mass and prayer. Thank you for your excellent website.

Colleen said...

I have been wearing a veil for about 10 years. I have a question. I recently read an article that married women should wear a plain black veil, no gold decoration or different colors and that the white veil would be for single women. Is this true?

Colleen

The Catholic Knight said...

At this point in our cultural history, I don't think the type of veil you wear really matters anymore. Namely because it's been nearly extinct for so long, that to make it complicated in any way threatens to push it back into obscurity. My advice is to not worry about the details and just put one on - one of any kind - doesn't matter how. Just get something on your head - anything - and you're good to go.

The reason for this is because of the crisis our society finds itself in. I'm afraid we don't have time for a lot of detail and nuance anymore. Our civilization is crashing at breakneck speed, and our Church is going down with it. We either preserve whatever we can in the Church, or else we lose the only thing that can rebuild our civilization after it's inevitable demise.

Our Lady of Fatima told us not to worry about fashions. The Church has no fashions. Our Lord is always the same.

So I wouldn't be too concerned about the color of a veil and what it once meant at one time or another. That was then and this is now. Let's just do whatever we can to bring the custom back in the most efficient way possible.

Sara said...

Check out this website, they have the nicest Head coverings on line:
http://www.modestworld.com
Sara

Mary said...

Wow! I've never seen so many comments to a piece from your blog! Again, Wow!
Anyway, I also support chapel veils. I'll have to get our parish's store to start carrying them. Nowadays, a woman/girl can have so many colors to choose from. We can all be stylin!
-Mary

Anonymous said...

Dear Catholic Knight,

This is a most wonderful post!! I have headcovered since my baptism ( multiple baptisms are not uncommon in the sect I was caught up in 10 years ago now - permitted as a former Seventh Day Adventist) I have covered my head for all corporate and private prayer, bible study and worship since 7 april 2001 - also cover when outside the home in my local area, plus on uni campus. It is still healthily represented within Eastern Rite Catholicism (of which, Thanks be to God, I am a part of now - will be confirmed in September). We discussed this in Adult Christening last Saturday; I forwarded the Headcovering, but the leader, admitting she owns a mantilla, admitted to finding it a distraction, plus the non compulsory move regarding its use made in the revision to Canon law 1983. Sadly, we moved on quickly, so did not have a chance to present the argument that the very fact of it now being optional gives a wonderful opportunity for we women to take ownership of this beautiful tradition and be enabled and empowered by it - become acquainted with its scriptural mandate and dignifying benefits.

Although the mantilla persay is a beautiful piece of apparrel, it can be a nuisance to wear. i myself wear a lace kerchief similar to those shown on www.prayercoverings.com (there is a wonderful headcovering support group there also; I am a member, as are several other Catholic ladies who cover, and many from across the entire denominational spectrum).

For those new to covering, or those who worship in such a toxic environment that covering is a vexed issue, but wish to soldier on regardless, taking the step of great courage in donning their covering, take a look at

www.garlandsofgrace.com

i wear their cessilies and catherines; beautiful coverings - the Catherine is perfect for very new coverers and seasoned veterans alike, this site has a lovely range of girls' coverings for the young ladies of your families also...both Prayercoverings and Garlands of Grace are not merely covering makers but see this as a ministry.

Anonymous said...

Cont'd,

www.katiesmercantile.com sells a wide range of plain attire and some very good coverings - I wear their buncovers (sometimes a buncover is all that one can manage as is my case on occasion).

the most wonderful Christian clothierres would have to be www.thekingsdaughters.com who have done for me marvellously this past four years!! Their workmanship is exquisite and their clothes last!! They are professional and delightful to work with - also seeing their enterprise as a ministry.

for Anglican Catholics reading this, magdalena over at http://magdalenaperks.wordpress.com/ has written some of the best covering and modesty articles for men and women on the net to date; I would highly recommend reading them, along with the covering and modesty articles penned by Frances Claire Fischer over at www.quakerjane.com These last two also pertain to Plain Catholics (I have taken my 'Plainness' and headcovering with me into my Catholic walk; it is the one practice that has transcended any denomination boundaries that i have crossed this past decade.

Ladies, don't be put off by those who mistakenly apply the passage in the Gospel of Matthew re fasters not standing out to not wishing to cover or modest dress; this is a clear misapplication of God's word, sadly.

Quite apart from the Old Testament verses that pertain to the importance of attire, gender distinctiveness, the shamefulness of public nudity and the place of covering, here are several new Testament references that leave us as Christians no matter our denominational affiliation with no doubt regarding God's wish for we women (and men also)

1. 1 Corinthians 11: 1-16
1 Thessalonians 5: 17
1 Timothy2:9-10
Titus 2: 5
Titus 2: 14
1 Peter 3:3-4.

The Greek for 'Modest dress' in these verses is Catastole ( excuse lousy transliteration) which plainly translates as flowing robe. the word for cloth covering, as opposed to that used in I Cor 11 re covering of the hair is Catacalupto (also please excuse lousy transliteration) as opposed to the word used for 'hair' as covering (Parabolian) Also excuse lousy transliteration. Just pick up a Strongs concordance or a Greek interlinear New Testament.

And this hasn't even touched on the teachings of the Church Fathers over the centuries...

Be it buncover, 'Catherine', hat or mantilla, wear your covering with confidence and don't give a rat's backside about any foul expressions of contempt your fellow parishioners may disgracefully cast your way - they should be attending to their own relationship with God in the Church or Bible Study setting.

Blessings,

Sarah,
sydney,
Australia.

De Liliis said...

When something has gone on for over two millennia. . .

It is not only a custom, and not only something disciplinary law covers or can touch one way or another. When I consider what happened.. too.. the responses to this matter from high and low.. it is all the more clear how wrong the unveiling is.

'For he said not merely covered, but "covered over," meaning that she be carefully wrapped up on every side. And by reducing it to an absurdity, he appeals to their shame, saying by way of severe reprimand, "but if she be not covered, let her also be shorn."'

St. John Chrysostom, Father and Doctor of the Church (c.f. Modesty and Purity)

Mary Milleur said...

I loved the comments here in support of the veil.
I always told the others how important it was to follow certain customs, even though they're not so popular these days.
I hope people reading this try wearing a chapel veil, and realize it has nothing to do with feminism or islamism.

God bless you!

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Anonymous said...

I was introduced to chapel veil very recently. After reading the scriptures and the stubborn self of me softens. Obedience took place and I started wearing them.

No doubt I felt reluctant in the beginning because I was shy and worried about what people may think and say. But I gained the strength and confident wearing it on the second mass since I started.

As I wear it I started to focus my heart to Him instead of worrying about gossips behind my back. It is indeed an act of humility and holiness. It is not easy to start wearing when 99.9% of the parishioners and not.

I too realised that if I were to start wearing them, I have to prepare myself so that when people approaches me to ask why do I veil, I would be able to spread the tradition that He has commanded us to.

I will keep praying for us women to see the grace of wearing chapel veil. Wear it with your heart open.

God bless you !

grotto said...

i began wearing either a chapel veil or long scarf similar to veil one year ago. it is like a sacramental perhaps making me feel more reverant and prayerful, very satisfying to my spiritual inteerior life i am working on.

The Muslim said...

How Islamic <3 May this "reform" back to the original teachings be made easy for those of you who strive for it. It was not easy for the minority population of Muslim women to wear a veil over their head in public, but it is now very common and easy to do so. It may be hard for you in the beginning, but may God will give you the strength and courage to do so. Amen.

Love all my fellow people of the book.

Anonymous said...

Dear Catholic Knight: with all due respect, there is so much erroneous material in your article on veiling that it's too late at night for me to get started responding to all of it. But I'll point out a few things.

St. Paul also says that women should not cut off their hair. Now we would probably disagree as to exactly what he meant by "cut off," but there has been an argument made in the past that this verse indicates Christian women should keep their hair long, that even a bob or a pixie-style cut is to look like a man. To be consistent, shouldn't you caution women that the Bible also says not to cut your hair off short? Wouldn't that also be a sin?

Believe it or not, I consider myself a traditional Catholic woman. I love traditional habits for nuns, and I think veils are a lovely expression of feminine piety, and that any woman who wishes to wear one should not be discouraged from doing so. But those who wish otherwise should be given the same respect. To be told that the Bible commands it, that it is not optional, is not supported even by most traditional theologians and Scripture scholars. And for that reason alone I have decided never to wear one again. I cannot endorse such a twisting of Scripture to support what is essentially a tradition with a small "t."

You might get more supporters if you were less militant about it. If a group of reasonable Catholic women said "Hey, let's bring back a lovely, feminine expression of piety, and help us to return to a sense of Catholic identity," many more women might jump on board. But when I see women stating that they wear the veil as a sign of their subjection to authority [no mention of God], or as a recognition of their husband's "headship," I want to gag. Sounds way too much like Islam to me.

Catherine A.

The Catholic Knight said...

Catherine, if you will read THIS POST you will find my full explanation of the chapel veil that addresses the issues you raise. God bless.

Janet Marie said...

I started to veil this year, and I admit I have become more respectful & reverent when at Mass, it forces me to make sure I am always modestly dressed for Mass, and to keep quiet in prayer before Mass, etc. A few people have had issue with me veiling but I did not ask them to agree with my free will choice.

Clarissa said...

Do you know anything about the Canon Law that regarded the wearing of the chapel veil? I have heard from several articles and sources that chapel veils are actually still under Canon Law because it was not mentioned in the Code of Canon Law in 1983. Canon 21 states that the revocation of a previous law is not presumed, but the later laws are to be harmonized with earlier ones. so even though this law wasn't revoked, wouldn't you still be obligated to wear the veil? I know I personally have been wearing a veil for 4 years now, but mostly because of Our Lady and I never knew much about the Canon Law aspect of it. Hope you can clarify!

The Catholic Knight said...

Clarissa, see the above linked article on "Chapel Veil - Headcovering - Fully Explained."

To the best of my understanding, Catholic women are no longer obligated under canon law to veil. However, that does not remove the Biblical mandate from St. Paul in 1st Corinthians 11.

Anonymous said...

As a Mennonite I disagree with various aspects of Catholicism, but I am glad to see your churches are beginning to return to a practice that has been all but lost in wider Christianity. It is my belief that the end of headcovering in the Christian church, and the end of the headship it represents, was a turning point in the demise of the modern family. Women and men no longer understand what their place and value is, and take roles that God did not design them for. This only leads, eventually, to misery. For this reason, I believe 1 Cor. 11 does not apply only to services or Mass. I wear a veil at home and out in my day-to-day life. This has become a reminder that I am free to pray to God every moment as His blood-bought daughter, and that I have a particular role in the church and the society, within the bounds of headship, which is highly valuable yet nearly abandoned.

Anonymous said...

I felt called to do this recently & began to wear the veil.Unfortunately had so many negative comments (mostly from women!)and sniggers and cold shoulders that I had to stop, as it was upsetting my family.The problem for me is that unless you attend the SSPX chapel were everyone covers.All the other churches here it is unheard off since the sixties.Another problem for me the Latin mass is not available,unless you attend SSPX,which I am reluctant to do.

The Catholic Knight said...

Seek an Anglican Use Catholic group in your area.

Anonymous said...

Be Not Afraid Women!

About 4 years ago or so I saw a woman wearing a chapel veil and asked her why? She gave a beautiful answer like the one on this website. I felt called to wear one and didn't know why. She made me a chapel veil and because it was a gift I felt called to put it on for Holy Mass. When I walked down the aisle to receive Jesus in Holy Communion I really cannot explain the knowing this was the right thing to do. For many, many years I started saying the following prayer, do not know where it came from, but I had been saying it for many years "Mary, cover me with your mantle" as I would go to receive Jesus in Holy Communion. The day I wore the chapel veil for the first time I realized that I was covered and I didn't need to say this prayer any longer when I wore the chapel veil "mantilla".

I have been persecuted for wearing it, though my Pastor understands why and supports me in wearing it, it is other women who are afraid to ask questions. I also heard that one woman was fired from her job at a Catholic school for wearing her chapel veil at Mass.

I have seen pictures of women who visit the Pope wear chapel veils...Our Pope is important, but he would even agree that Jesus is more important than he is...so why would any woman question wearing a veil during Holy Mass when Jesus is truly present.

Little martrydoms (persecutions) for doing something that is courageous for Our Lord is well worth the suffering if united with Jesus' suffering.

Be strong for Jesus!
Anonymous

Melanie said...

Thank you,
Shared the link on with 2 groups I am moderating: Catholic Homesteading Women and Catholic Modesty, both on Facebook.
I have been wearing a headcovering to Holy Mass for several years now and often I am the only one and get the "looks". My dear husband always reminds me when I let the looks get to me: "Remember you are wearing your veil for our Lord, not the people sitting behind us."

the rationalist said...

If wearing a veil is voluntary, what's the big deal? Wear one if you want, and ignore the women who don't want.

Anonymous said...

I have been living in S. Korea for 6 months and have been attending the local Parish. Almost all the women wear the veil here. I agree with the fact that it shouldn't be an obligation, but it is very nice to see.

Anonymous said...

I returned to wearing a veil 52o years ago and it was for very personal reasons.

The reason the veiling stopped had to go with bishops and priests NOT making the Church's teaching clear right after Vatican II. This is only one of many areas that they fell down on the job!

I love veiling and would highly encourage any woman to proceed regardless of what anyone thinks. Really it's between you and God.

Anonymous said...

Some women should first learn how to dress modestly and appropriately in church before attempting to wear the chapel veil. It would look 'awkward' and even ridiculous for a woman with an immodest clothing to wear a veil

Anonymous said...

There is no formal practice of women wearing veils in Anglican Use parishes. Usually, those who do tend to be the kooky ones.

I agree with the earlier posters who said we should return to good taste in all clothing. No more jeans, flip flops, shorts, etc.

When women were REQUIRED to veil (and they are not now!) they were also required to wear sleeves below the elbow, and could not wear pants. Why are we selectively returning to one practice while ignoring all others? It seems like "pick and choose" to me. Modesty is modesty. St. Paul was giving but one example in his exhortation. We should no more think that it is a church law that women should veil than we should suppose women should only sit behind the columns and remain quiet.
Kooky.

Anonymous said...

As a point of information the correct terminology for the “veil” is a “mantilla”. I still have my old one from 1968 can you believe it?! They used to be very cheap bits of lace and they never actually stayed on your head, and were quite irritating to wear. They were like gloves – you kept losing them. The pictures you show are of very expensive very pretty ones. We used to wear cheaper “nastier” ones. I personally don’t cover my head at mass now, but I’m sure we would all love to have one of the veils in your pictures. They look lovely on a young woman but I suspect rather silly on older one – (mutton dressed up as lamb we say here in the UK). I also suspect that they would be quite expensive now, and my concern is that people just can’t afford the dress codes you are advocating. Suits, ties, lace mantillas - expensive. We must not put any economic barriers to people entering the house of God. I also think that this veil campaign is a major distraction from the work that Our Lady of America wants of the US church and that it divides people and wastes energy needlessly. Our Ladys task for the US church is entirely spiritual. She is not concerned with fashion. The physical presentation of a soul is of secondary importance to her. The women of the Church are needed by Our Lady to focus on strengthening the spiritual muscles of the church. Pilgrimage, rosary, Eucharistic adoration are what Our Lady wants of the women and hopefully their men. I note that in none of her Marian apparitions did Our Lady ever give fashion advice to the women of the church. Ladies can wear the veil or not as they please. Gentlemen out there tread very carefully before you try and pressurise your wives to do this......the peace of your marriage is of far more value to the church than a veil on your wife’s head. From a practical viewpoint ,due to the cost - dress codes have had to become an option in the church. One suggestion I have for those who want to cover their heads is - the pashmina – it’s a very useful and popular fashion garment at the moment throughout the western world. It can double up as a warm scarf or shawl so any lady wishing to cover her head at mass can also use it to keep herself warm for the rest of the week and justify the expense. Because it’s a fashion item it can be worn “without looking silly”. Pashminas are very fashionable here in the UK and no-one will look twice if you quickly pop it into your head when going to mass or up to communion. You won’t stand out from the crowd or draw attention as if you are trying to make a point. It is a more practical option than the one proposed by our dear men folk! ......Sir Knight - fashion is not your strong point – agreed?

The Catholic Knight said...

While I will admit that fashion is not one of my stronger points, (this metal armour gets a lot of second looks in public), I would like to point out that I've been recommending the pashmina shawl as a practical and cost-effective alternative for some time. See this post here. I do like the pashmina, and I know they can be acquired in different weights and density to match the various seasons. My wife bought about half a dozen of the light weight summer pashminas for about $1 each. The fall and spring weight she bought at about $5 each, while the heavier winter ones were a bit more expensive. I think about $15, give or take a couple dollars. Yes, it is more practical and in some cases a bit more pretty if you ask me. It all depends really. I like to leave these things up to my wife. She does a far better job dressing herself than I.

Anonymous said...

CK - I’m a recent blogger so apologies for not noticing your pashmina blog from 2009. It is spot on for how to wear a head covering discretely. I honestly don’t think anyone would notice a pashmina worn as you depict in. The pashmina is very cheap in the US from what you say - a bit more expensive here in the UK - but I think it’s no problem as it is multi use and not just for wearing at mass. In the cold weather to be "all scarfed up" at mass is quite the norm and a hat is also unremarkable as they too are very much back in vogue again. So it’s possible to cover the head without looking daft (or like you want to make a point to the detriment of other women).......... I am trying to remember the mantilla being abolished when I was young. I think that the times were very different. Women were quite secondary in economic terms compared to now e.g. a woman could not get a mortgage to buy a property in 1968 England. I guess it was the Church that gave them this first taste of freedom in this small gesture of Love - in allowing for free will and removing compulsion. They just “went for it” didn’t they?.....The spirit will blow where it will and if the custom of covering the head in church returns then well and good .It’s not an issue to expend a lot of energy on ........Our Lady has other important requests of us...........keep that armour on you are going to need it.......

Anonymous said...

When I first read all statements of St. Paul about women covering their heads it all made sense. But now I'm totally confused to read that St. Paul also said, ".... Does not nature itself teach you that for a man to wear long hair is degrading to him, ..." If that is the case then Jesus is guilty of degrading Himself by having long hair. So my question is, when should the scripture be taken literally or figuratively?

The Catholic Knight said...

Anonymous, please read this essay. It should explain everything...

http://catholicknight.blogspot.com/2007/12/chapel-veil-veiling-or-head-covering.html

The Catholic Knight said...

Suffice it to say, in addition to the explanation in the essay linked above, hair length is a relative thing. It's based on culture. What Paul is using here is an illustration from nature. He is not prohibiting hair styles. Instead he is demonstrating how women usually have longer hair than men, as a sign of femininity, showing that even in nature, God prefers the woman's head to be covered as a sign of authority. The focus of the chapter is head covering, not hair or hair styles. Keep that in mind. That being said, we do not know how long Jesus' hair was, but we ASSUME, based on the fact that he was from Nazareth, and the image on the Shroud of Turin, that he had shoulder length hair. IF this is so, (and that again is a big IF), than Jesus still would have had much shorter hair than the average woman living in that region during that time. Shoulder length hair would have been considered unbecoming of a woman in that region during that time -- too manly. Typically Jewish women had hair reaching AT LEAST down to the middle of their back (or lower), which was usually covered by a mantle, or at the very least a scarf or snood.

We must be careful not to interpret Scripture in a 21st century Western context. In our Western culture, short hair has always be super-short, just a couple inches above the scalp or less. That's why women can get away with shoulder-length hair in our culture and it still be considered feminine. It's purely a cultural relativity. Hence the reason why in our culture, we consider Jesus having long hair, because it was allegedly shoulder-length. If indeed it was shoulder-length, this would have been considered medium-short in his culture in his time -- still very manly.

Xristoforos McAvoy said...

But if they start wearing veils again that means pants will be next to go!

Oh no, stop before it's too late !

Anything but our pants!

You and your radical counter-cultural ideas, lifting our low society morals back up again, how dare you!

Xristoforos McAvoy said...

If the veil comes back, next to go will be the ladies pants!

We can't have that, you can take anything but not without our pants!

You radical counter-culture types, lifting up our societies low standards behaviour back up again!

You and your healthy happy christian traditionalist utopia.

How dare you!

btw...Merry feast of st andrew first called apostle of the Lord.

Anonymous said...

I have started to wear chapel veils to church a few weeks ago. After reading about it a few months ago I felt very much called to do it, but was afraid to. I finally went ahead and I'm glad I did. I've gotten some unpleasant looks from a few older ladies, but most people seem to respond well. I finally decided that if other parishoners can wear flip-flops, shorts, micro-mini skirts, tank tops, t-shirts, etc. that I should be able to wear whatever I like to Mass, too ; >

Someone here said, "I also suspect that they would be quite expensive now, and my concern is that people just can’t afford the dress codes you are advocating. Suits, ties, lace mantillas - expensive. We must not put any economic barriers to people entering the house of God." I disagree. I made my veil by buying a length of inexpensive lace fabric with a 50% off coupon from the fabric store. They have a scalloped edge on the front edge, and I cut them into a triangle shape about 24" deep, trimming around the lace motifs on the other two sides. I sewed an inexpensive plastic comb onto the veil myself (stays in place nicely!). Anyone, male or female, who wants to wear nice dress clothes to church but has money issues can acquire them inexpensively from a thrift store (yes -- that's what I do!). You just need a good eye for what suits you, and you might need to try a few different places to find what you need, but it can be done with a little effort.

I gave up wearing pants to church, too, since skirts and modest blouses or jackets look nicer with the veil/mantilla. It's not a terrible thing to wear something nice and feminine to church, ladies. You've been taught to feel oppressed by it, but I think being treated as disposable sex-object playthings for men, having to work all the time while your kids are raised by secular-humanist/marxist wolves in the public schools, or being pressured to murder your own baby inside your own body are all much more oppressive!!!

Jennifer

Anonymous said...

Thank you for addresing the topic of the chapel veil. I have had the desire to wear mine since last Christmas. This Advent I have made the commitment to wear my veil at church. I felt a bit uneasy at first, but I have a strong calling to do this. My respect and love for the Blessed Sacrament is enabling me to continue wearing my veil. This is not nostalgia, this is a desire to express the sacred that is present at Church.

Anonymous said...

I just wanted to say thank you for all your information about the chapel veil. I was born in the 70s and never even knew the chapel veil was a thing until I found your website about a year ago. I had never seen or heard of it before; the only veiling I had ever done growing up was for my first communion. When I asked my aunts about it (all Catholic school graduates, whereas I went to public school), they all laughed and told me stories about being forced to put a Kleenex on your head with a bobby pin if you forgot a scarf. So obviously it wasn't sacred even when it was compulsory. Kleenex, seriously?
After I found your site, I did some more research and decided to try it, and have been wearing a veil ever since. I'm not a "flashy" kind of gal, and a lace mantilla isn't very me, so I just use nice headscarves. I've been called "Sister Mary headscarf" and been asked if I was Muslim (by Muslims, even). But I don't care. I feel wonderful doing that extra thing to show respect for the consecrated host. Most churches don't have adoration time, either, and I just found one near me that does, so I intend to start making that time a habit as well.
By the by, I'm a feminist liberal social justice type Catholic. Part of my feminism is Marian devotion. Another part is respecting my gender enough to not walk around looking like a sex symbol. I hardly consider the makeup-covered, plastic-surgery altered, inappropriately-dressed types to be feminists; they seem more like they're being used to me, which is hardly empowerment. But you betcha I wear pants. ;)

Mimi said...

Hello,

I have had for years been wanting to wear the veil. When I asked a friend why we don't wear them anymore she said it's like fashion trey come and go. From that time on I have been wanting fashion to come back, but to no avail. And although I have seen other women wear it I thought I do not deserve to wear one because I am not as holy as they are. That was 7 years ago. Today I wear a veil not because I think I am holy far from it. rather becasue towear one reminds me that I am in the presence of God. I have made several these past few days and have also encouraged my girls to wear them. My oldest daughter(15) put some flowers and they look very fashionable. For her birthday she designed a shirt that said If it's not a baby (picture of a fetus on the womb) you're not pregnant - in front and a beat heart picture and choose life on the back.

She and her two brothers will be receiving the sacrament of confirmation this year, I ask you to include them in your prayers as well as all those who will be confirmed this Easter. Thank you and God Bless.

Elizabeth said...

Hello! I recently discovered your website, as I was looking up more information about the chapel veils. I have felt more and more called to wear the veil, and in just the past few weeks, I have taken it much more seriously. All of the information has been greatly appreciated, and I do feel as though I am becoming more brave about it. As much as one may want to, it is always hard to go against what is deemed "appropriate" nowadays. I used to go to a church where no one veiled, and it may even seem odd to people if I did, especially since I was born way after Vatican II, and after the Code of Canon Law was changed (I'm 27). I started to recently go to the Tridentine mass where every woman in attendance wears one. I started to wear a scarf, since I do not have a proper chapel veil, but I do feel the solidarity as well as the holiness behind the practice.

In conclusion, I want to thank you, and all of the other Catholic bloggers out there for educating and encouraging us to bring back this beautiful tradition. You give many of us strength, and I hope that we can give each other strength to live a truly Catholic, Christian life.

HDgirl said...

A year ago I attended a mass out of town and my heart swelled with pride when I saw so many from that community wearing veils. Even the little girls and teenagers were wearing them. When I returned home I could not get that beautiful site out of my head. I felt that God was calling me to do the same. After much prayer and reading I began to realize that it was a tradition that should NEVER have stopped. I admit the first Sunday I attended Mass wearing my veil I felt very humble, and almost fearful of what reactions I might get, but instead I was told by several women how beautiful it was and how much they missed seeing veils in church. We now have a couple of ladies in the community wearing veils, it's not earth shattering, but it's a start. I hope to see many more in the future. As for me.....the veil is now a very important sign of my Love and Obedience to God.

Anonymous said...

Hello!

I was very excited to find this site and read your post and many of the comments regarding wearing a chapel veil. I’m a sixteen-year-old Christian girl. I'm not Catholic, but a non-denominational. I have been wearing a headcovering all the time for two and a half years now and always enjoy reading about other women who also believe a headcovering is necessary. Although I believe that a headcovering or veiling is for all the time, not just in church, because a headcovering is for when we pray, and the Bible says to ‘pray unceasingly’, I think that even covering in church is better than nothing.

Having been raised mostly Baptist, I would like to clear up a few misconceptions I’ve read. It seems that there are a lot of misconceptions on both sides. I think that in any church, you’re going to find people who are just there ‘for appearances’, or who go to church simply because their family does, or that their culture says they should. I see a lot of the children and grandchildren of Italian immigrants who will claim to be a Catholic, but only go to mass at Christmas and Easter. I don’t consider them to be Christians. On the other hand, one of my best friends is a Catholic, and she is very firm in her beliefs and a wonderful Christian girl. I have never doubted her faith.

I would like to finish by saying that I will be praying for you all in your effort to restore the chapel veil to the Catholic church. I feel that this is something which has been left behind in many Christian denominations over the past century and must be brought back.

God bless,
from Rachel.

PuddyTat said...

You are spot on. Now days, people attend mass looking like they just rolled out of bed..